(Ace Frehley photograph courtesy Jay Gilbert)
In the ‘60s while growing up in the Bronx, budding teenage guitarist Paul “Ace” Frehley, had his share of formidable six-string heroes, Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix and Pete Townshend. Decades later, as a founding member of KISS, a result of his fiery and inventive playing, Ace Frehley turned the tables and was not widely regarded as a pioneering and highly influential guitar hero whose mighty fretboard prowess is routinely cited a source of lifelong inspiration by the likes of Pearl Jan’s Stone Gossard, Lenny Kravitz, “Dimebag” Darrell and countless others.
Sober for over a decade, Ace returned in October with a strong solo album, the appropriately titled Spaceman (pick up a copy here), which demonstrates that this revered hard rock music icon still has a few aces up his sleeve.
Rock Cellar: On the new album, Spaceman, you cover the Eddie Money song “I Wanna Go Back.” If you could revisit one moment in your life and go back again, what would you like to do?
Ace Frehley: That’s a really hard question to answer. (long pause) Probably opening night of the KISS reunion tour in ’96 at Tiger Stadium in Detroit. That was such a special evening. We sold it out in like 48 minutes, it was crazy! I remember during that show feeling like I had time traveled. Here I am in the same costume with the same makeup on — the makeup kind of covers up your age a little with the white face — and I’m looking at everyone going, Is this a reunion or is this the 70s? (laughs)
Rock Cellar: On the new album, Spaceman, a title coined by Gene Simmons, you co-wrote two songs with Gene: “Without You I’m Nothing” and “Your Wish Is My Command.” Tell us about how that came together and the songwriting session that ensued at your studio in San Diego.
Ace Frehley: I wrote two songs with Gene in three hours. We’ve all matured and his writing skills have obviously developed to a higher level, just like mine has. I’m not loaded anymore so we were on the same mental plane. He just suggested some stuff and I started playing some chords to his bass parts. We wrote two songs in three hours, it was crazy! It felt like no time had passed. I have a video of us working together in the studio that my fiancé, Rachael (Gordon) shot with her iPhone. (laughs)
Rock Cellar: What has it been like to reconnect as friends with Gene, with whom you toured in Australia, and Paul (Stanley), who sang Free’s “Fire & Water” on your Origins album?
Ace Frehley: It’s been really good. I originally tried to contact Gene to work on a song on my Origins album. Over the years I’ve been friendlier with Gene more so than with Paul. Paul was always kind of the loner in the band. We knew Gene was off screwing some chick and me and Peter were together getting loaded or getting loaded separately. (laughs) But I never knew what Paul was doing or never really paid too much attention to it. That’s kind of the way it was.
But how I got Paul involved on my Origins album was I just gave him a call. I said, “Hey Paul, I’m doing this album and I wanted to see if you wanted to sing a song on it?” He said, “Yes, it sounds like fun.” And I said, “It’s an album of covers.” We were kicking around a few song ideas. He brought up “My Generation” by The Who but I said, “I think that’s a song that you can’t really re-do because it’s such a classic song.” And then I said, “Let’s think about it,” and I called him back the next day and said, “How about ’Fire & Water’ by Free?” Paul’s a huge fan of Paul Rodgers and he said, “I think that would be great.” So I cut the track and I emailed him the ProTools files. He cut the vocal with his engineer and sent it back and we had a song. He did a great job with the track.
Rock Cellar: Paul also took part in the video shoot for “Fire & Water” as well.
Ace Frehley: Yeah. Pretty much we had done all the principal photography and he was done and they were gonna shoot my smoking guitar in the hallway, which is offstage, just to get it intercut with the stage performances. I said, “Well, you can split now and he said, “No, I’ll hang around,” which was really cool. We had a blast hanging out together. Being able to do projects with Paul and Gene has a lot to do with getting sober, that makes things much easier.
Rock Cellar: “Bronx Boy” was the first song fans heard from the new record. What’s the most Bronx thing about you?
Ace Frehley: (laughs) Probably my accent. (laughs) You can take the boy out of the Bronx, but you can’t get the Bronx out of the boy. (Laughs) Growing up in the Bronx was really an education. I mean by the time I hit 13 years old I got tired of getting beaten up so I decided to join a gang ‘cause when you’re in a gang you have protection. Nobody is gonna screw around with you because they know there’ll be retribution.
But then again you’re in a situation that you’re with these guys who are giving you a phone call saying, “We gotta rumble tonight,” just like West Side Story, (laughs) meeting in a schoolyard with chains and knives. Or someone in the gang might say, “we’re gonna rob a warehouse tonight.” It was all this crazy stuff and I was going, “what am I getting involved in?”
Like I said in my book, No Regrets, thank God I had my guitar playing skills. At the same time I was trying to get away from the gang I was playing in bands so I could use that as an excuse on the weekends when the gang was going out to do something. I said “I can’t, I have a gig.” That’s pretty much how I got out of being in a gang. (laughs)
Rock Cellar: Back in ’67, ’68 when you were 17 or 18 years old, if I walked into your bedroom what would I encounter?
Ace Frehley: I had posters on the wall. I had a big Bob Dylan poster. I had a couple of paintings that I did up on the wall and albums covers as well. The ceiling had one bright light bulb in the center of the room and I had painted in luminous paint flames going away from the ceiling. So when you turned the lights off all of a sudden you’d see these flames coming away from the light. Obviously eventually it faded, just like on a watch dial. Then I had a multi-colored three by three foot painting I did in Day-Glo; it was an amazing painting. I remember going back to my mother’s house to try and get it. We actually took a saw and cut the painting out of the wall but it crumbled.
Rock Cellar: How would you describe that painting?
Ace Frehley: It was a psychedelic head with things coming out of it. Believe it or not I think I photographed it and I have the photograph somewhere. But the photograph doesn’t transfer the Day-Glo paint look. It was all done in Day-Glo because I had a black light under it. I’d have people over and they’d see it and go, “Wow, very cool!”
Rock Cellar: In the new song “Pursuit Of Rock & Roll,” you sing, “Just give me Elvis Presley, all my troubles fade away.” We recently hit the 41st anniversary of Elvis’ passing. Take us back to when KISS was playing a show in San Francisco on August 16, 1977, when Elvis passed away. Any memories of that show?
Ace Frehley: Vaguely I do. Usually when somebody you admire passes away it takes a while for it to sink in. I didn’t even want to believe it. I loved Elvis. There was one Elvis, there was one Hendrix and one Elvis Presley, one Fats Domino and one Little Richard. He was one of a kind. Not only did he do great songs, he did funny silly movies that were entertaining. Elvis just did it all. He performed live in concert, he did great records and he made films.
Rock Cellar: I remember seeing photos of you from the ‘70s putting on your makeup in the dressing room and spotted on your makeup case an Elvis In Concert backstage pass affixed to it. Did you ever see Elvis live?
Ace Frehley: No, and I really regret not going to see him. I remember a good friend of mine was after me to go see Elvis with him and for one reason or another I didn’t go. I think I had a hot date. (laughs) So I declined and said that I would catch him some other time but there wasn’t another time, sadly.
Rock Cellar: “Rockin’ With The Boys” was mooted to be penciled in for the KISS album, (Music From) The Elder. 37 years later, it’s being released on Spaceman. Did you work off of the original tapes?
Ace Frehley: I wrote the chorus for “Rockin’ With The Boys” in the ‘70s. But I could never come up with a good enough verse and bridge to make it a viable tune. I experimented and had several versions of that. When I do a box set of old tapes and old cassettes and demos and alternate solos, I’ll probably include some of the earlier versions of “Rockin’ With The Boys” as well as some other songs I’ve rewritten.
Like the song “Pursuit Of Rock & Roll” on my new album has Anton Fig playing drums on that. I wiped all of the guitars and vocals and rewrote it. I did the exact same thing with the song “Off My Back,” that was originally called “Hypnotized” and it had completely alternate lyrics but I kept the solo. That track was recorded in the ‘90s. Anton is playing on “Pursuit of Rock & Roll” and “Off My Back” and they’re both older tracks that I transferred from two-inch tape to a hard drive and then imported it into ProTools.
Rock Cellar: Gene released a massive box set called The Vault and you appeared with him at a few Vault events. In terms of you assembling a similar box set spanning your entire career, does that hold interest for you?
Ace Frehley: I have tons of material. I have a hundred two-inch reels with alternate solos for songs from The Elder, all kinds of stuff, jam sessions with other people. Two of the guys from the Alice Cooper band lived near me in Connecticut and they used to come over and jam. I have plenty of jam sessions on tape with a lot of different people and half of them I probably can’t even remember. So when I transfer the tapes to my hard drive, listening back will be a big surprise for me. That’s a major undertaking.
Rock Cellar: What kind of pre-KISS material do you have?
Ace Frehley: I have Molimo stuff. Not on two-inch tape but on ¼“ tape I have some old recordings of me doing some Rolling Stones songs. I think I have some recordings of me at rehearsals with some of my earlier bands too. I also have some videos of KISS never released; I have footage of the band on an airplane going to Australia, rehearsing in an old hangar up in upstate New York, Newburgh, New York. It’s footage captured in black and white on one of the first Sony portable recording devices, which I bought in Japan.
Rock Cellar: Speaking of your pre-KISS band, Molimo, a Jefferson Airplane styled outfit, did a demo for RCA in 1971. In 2014, an acetate was found in a barn in upstate New York with a few tracks from that session, “East of Yesterday,” “Alone Together,” “City of Tears” and “Pleasure Palaces.” Have you heard that?
Ace Frehley: I heard about it but I haven’t heard it yet. That band sounded like Jefferson Airplane. We had a guy singer and a girl singer. It was a poor man’s Jefferson Airplane. (laughs) We did a demo where Sinatra had recorded. It was done in a giant room at RCA. I remember going there and recording; it was a trip. There was a picture of Frank Sinatra on the wall and other people that had recorded there. It was my first taste of a first professional recording prior to doing the first KISS album.
Rock Cellar: You have a massive catalog of material you can perform live, what are the songs the fans most frequently want you to play? My choice is “Dark Light” from The Elder.
Ace Frehley: (Laughs) I knew you were gonna say that. “Dark Light” is a song that comes up a lot. “Save Your Love” comes up from time to time too. I’m gonna try and do some new songs for the KISS Kruise that I’m going on later in the year. These will be some songs that I’ve never done live before; it’ll be something special but I don’t want to give anything away right now. Maybe I’ll do a couple of songs off my original ’78 solo record. I’m gonna use my band for the KISS Kruise. I’m using Gene’s band for the dates I’m doing with him in Australia and Japan and that comes down to economics. For the amount of money they’re offering me to play in those two counties it’s cost effective to use Gene’s band to back me up. If I brought my band and paid them their salaries and paid all their airfare there wouldn’t be very much left over.
So by not bringing them to Australia and Japan I’m saving forty or fifty thousand dollars.
Rock Cellar: You co-wrote two songs on your album with Gene, you’re touring with Gene in Australia and you’ll be on airs for the upcoming KISS Kruise, fans are clamoring for you to be back in the band. What would you like to see happen?
Ace Frehley: When I read the comments the fans make on the internet, every once in a while I’ll spend a half hour or an hour reading comments, invariably 80-90% of the KISS fans want a full blown reunion. I don’t know if that’s possible; it could be a variation of it.
There’s no way KISS is gonna go out with a bang with the lineup they have now. It’s half of a cover band. I love Eric (Singer) and I love Tommy (Thayer) but it’s half of a KISS cover band.
Paul and Gene are the two original guys and they’ve got two guys playing my part and Peter’s part. I think it works better overseas, maybe, but it’s getting tired in America. Ever since 2014 when we were inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, pretty much all of America realized that I was not in the band and Peter’s not in the band and I think a lot of people in America weren’t even sure that I had left. When they made the switch between me and Tommy they really didn’t publicize it and I don’t think they wanted to.
I mean, I remember getting phone calls in 2008, 2009 and people would call me up and say, “Hey, you’re playing my hometown, can you get me tickets?” and I’d go, “No, I’m not in the band anymore.” I mean that happened multiple times. My departure from the band the second time around wasn’t highly promoted.
Rock Cellar: But you’d be up for a KISS reunion if asked?
Ace Frehley: I would be up for it if the numbers were right and if it was presented to me in the right way, sure. It’s not necessarily something that I am craving to do but I want to do it for the fans because the fans are the ones that made us all famous and rich and turned us into superstars. I want to do what the fans want. I want to make the fans happy and it seems like that’s the direction they are pointing towards.
I’d be willing to do anything to make the fans happy.