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The Roadie & Led Zeppelin

Written by: Marc Shapiro

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Henry ‘The Horse’ Smith admits that he sometimes gets annoyed with people asking Led Zeppelin questions. After all, the good natured 64 year old roadie/road manager has a lot more on his decades-old resume than the consensus ‘greatest rock band on the planet’. Let’s face it, Aerosmith and The Yardbirds are not chopped liver.

But, more often than not, Smith is candid and forthcoming when asked about his 1968-73 tenure with Zeppelin and his front row seat on the three ring circus that was the band’s rise to the upper reaches of heavy rock royalty.  Smith knows where the bodies are buried and could easily write a Zep tell-all that would rival what many consider the definitive Zeppelin book, Hammer Of The Gods.  But he won’t.

“I would never write a book about Zeppelin,” Smith tells Rock Cellar Magazine.  “The things I did and saw with Zeppelin were in the spirit of friendship.  To write a book about Led Zeppelin would be to give up that friendship and I value that friendship too highly to stab them in the back.”

ROCK CELLAR MAGAZINE: You’ve worked with some of the biggest bands over the years, including Led Zeppelin. Why do people keep hiring you?

Henry Smith: That’s actually a very good question.  I don’t know why. (laughs) A lot of it has been luck and timing. I’ve made friends with a lot of musicians and that always helps in getting gigs.  I’m somebody who can be trusted.  I’m a diplomatic sort of guy. I’m not a yeller and a screamer. I know the psychology involved with dealing with musicians and life on the road. That’s why I’m still working and that’s why people call me up.

RCM: You worked with Led Zeppelin from…?

HS:  From the day the group formed in 1968 until 1973. I started out with them when they were still going by the name of The New Yardbirds.

New Yardbirds, Jorgen AngelNew Yardbirds 1968. ©Jorgen Angel; www.angel.dk

RCM:  So the first incarnation of The Yardbirds was in decline and Jimmy Page comes up to you and says what?

HS:  The Yardbirds were nearing the end of the road and Keith Relf and Jim McCarty from that band asked me if I would work with a new band of theirs called Renaissance.  A few days later, Jimmy comes up to me and asks me if I would work with him on a new band that he had not completely formed yet. I liked the idea that Jimmy was going more into a rock thing as opposed to what Renaissance was going to do and so I said yes to Jimmy.

RCM:  So in essence you were going from an already established band with The Yardbirds to a band that was, at the time, Jimmy Page and nobody else.  Did you feel that you were making a wise decision?

HS:  No. (laughs) But I was 21 and stupid. It sounded like a good gig. Jimmy was always very kind to me and I knew (manager) Peter Grant’s reputation so I said ‘sure, I’m in.’

RCM:  So you were on board before there was even a band?

HS:  It was Jimmy’s band. You could probably make a case for Led Zeppelin being the first ever boy band.  Jimmy put the band together.  He went out and handpicked everybody else.  Robert and Bonzo (John Bonham) were in Band Of Joy but were still primarily unknown, and John Paul Jones was at the top of his game as a session musician but not known outside of that circle.

Band of Joy -1967Band of Joy, 1967: John Bonham, Chris Brown, Kevyn Gammond, Robert Plant, Paul Lockey. From www.robertplant.com

RCM:  The rest of the band seemed to go along with the idea that Jimmy would be boss?

HS:  The rest of the guys readily accepted the fact that it was Jimmy’s band.  And it was with good reason. They were going to go places they had never dreamed of going in everything they had done to that point.  Band Of Joy was a good band but they were never going to be Led Zeppelin and they were never going to tour the states.

RCM:  How quickly did those privy to the formation of Led Zeppelin realize how huge this band could be?

HS:  We knew after the first rehearsal. That was such a tearful moment. There was this immediate chemistry between the four of them.  From a roadie’s perspective it was scary to think we were on the verge of being part of something that had never been seen before.

RCM:  What’s the story behind Led Zeppelin making their debut as The New Yardbirds?

HS:  The Yardbirds were running out the string on some contracted shows.  A series of shows in Scandinavia had been booked but the band decided they did not want to do those shows.  So Peter Grant made the offer of having Led Zeppelin do those shows under the name The New Yardbirds.

Jimmy Page, Manager Peter Grant, Robert PlantJimmy Page, Manager Peter Grant, Robert Plant

RCM:  A stroke of good luck for Led Zeppelin?

HS:  More like good planning on Peter’s part. He knew how hard it was to book a band that nobody had ever heard of and he felt that it was easier to jump in as The New Yardbirds and get Led Zeppelin in front of an audience.

RCM:  What was the reaction to the band from the audience during those first shows?

HS:  They knew Jimmy but they really didn’t know any of the other guys.  But when the band started playing, it was killer.  A good third of the sets of those shows were the songs that would end up on Zeppelin’s first album and they went down real well.  You didn’t hear ‘Oh shit! That’s not the Yardbirds.’ From that first show, everybody knew that the band had something special.

RCM:  Led Zeppelin received only 150 pounds for one of those early shows. That’s not much. Were they leading a hand-to-mouth existence in the beginning?

HS:  It wasn’t as bad as four guys sleeping in a bunk. It may have been what many would consider hand to mouth but it didn’t last very long.  Peter Grant had a reputation for taking care of the bands and the people that worked for them.

RCM:  Grant also had the reputation of being a rough and tumble kind of guy. It sounds like he was the perfect manager for Led Zeppelin.

HS:  Let me put it this way: with Peter around the band really didn’t need security. Peter was not much of a fighter but he knew how to use words. He was a pretty intimidating guy so just his presence in the middle of a situation was usually enough to stop most things.

RCM:  Anybody who has read the book Hammer Of The Gods is familiar with how crazy the band could get on the road. Was it pretty much sex, drugs and rock and roll with Led Zeppelin even in the early days?

HS:  Sure. Without a doubt.  Everybody was getting everything, including the roadies.  Let me put it to you this way; some of the things we did that were accepted in the 60s would not be accepted today.

Led Zeppelin in 1968Led Zeppelin in 1968

RCM:  So it was women, drugs 24/7?

HS:  Not designer drugs at that point.  In those days, all anybody was doing was smoking pot. I’d have to say that in the beginning it wasn’t all that outrageous. Bonham was a big drinker.  But basically the band was taking everything that was thrown at them and why not?  That was what rock and roll was all about.

RCM:  And the roadies got ‘sloppy seconds’?

HS:  Looking back, I’d say that sometimes it was the band that got ‘sloppy seconds.’ (laughs) I know that there were times when the roadies got more action than the band. Sometimes in the morning a band member would be kicking two women out at the same time a roadie would be kicking two women out.

RCM:  So the early days of Zeppelin must have been like a three-ring circus.

HS:  Definitely.  It was kind of like a moment caught in time.  The girls everybody got. The drugs everybody took.  It just doesn’t happen that way anymore.  Today you would be arrested if you did what we were doing back then.

RCM:  Were those antics particular to Zeppelin at the time or was it pretty much what all the bands did?

HS:  The English bands in general were notorious for putting themselves above the law, especially when they were touring the states. The feeling was that, even if they got into trouble, the case would get thrown out. And it usually did.  Again, a lot of the things they did back then would probably get them thrown in jail today.

RCM:  The first Led Zeppelin album came out and it wasn’t long before the band was doing their first US tour.  Did the band and crew sense this was going to be a quick ride to the top?

HS:  Everybody felt the change, almost immediately. The amount of kids who would be at a show was beginning to escalate in ‘68 and ‘69.  In 1968, Zeppelin was basically an opening act for bands like Vanilla Fudge.  But the audience reaction was such that everybody knew the band would not be an opening act for long. Peter (Grant) had warned us that Led Zeppelin was going to have a quick and fast ride to the top.

RCM:  Did it go too fast?

HS:  I don’t think it went as fast as we think it did. The press never pushed Zeppelin much in the beginning. They got more press when they broke up then they ever did when they were together.

Henry Smith, the Led Zeppelin roadieHenry “The Horse” Smith. Photo by Frank Buddenbrock; all rights reserved.

RCM:  What was it like being a roadie for Zeppelin in the early days?

HS:  Well back in the day you did everything and there weren’t many people to do that. You had one roadie who drove the truck, loaded and unloaded the truck and drove down the road to the next gig.  Now the big bands typically have six or seven tour buses and about 100 people to do what one guy used to do. Up until 1973, Zeppelin was pretty much a skeleton crew.

RCM: Is it safe to say that the roadie driving the equipment van was taking more than coffee to stay awake?

HS:  Of course. Anything over ten hours on the road and it was time to bring out the ‘Black Beauties’. Otherwise you might not make it.

RCM: I understand you had a literal front row seat to the songwriting for the second Led Zeppelin album.

HS:  I was with Jimmy and Robert in this isolated cottage when they were writing the songs.  An entire album’s worth of songs came together in two weeks and it was amazing to watch how the creative process works.  Robert was good about asking me what I thought. He would be singing melody lines, bouncing ideas off me and asking what I thought.

RCM: To be close enough to the band to observe the writing session is not something most roadies get access to.

HS:  We were all part of the family, the band, the roadies, everybody. It wasn’t like the roadies were outsiders. Everybody got along and mixed well off stage.  We were around the band all the time and you could see them changing from the first album to the second.

Robert PlantRobert Plant at Bron Yr Aur Cottage

RCM:  In what way?

HS:  Well,for one thing, they weren’t getting cynical. They were becoming more positive of themselves and what they were about.  It was particularly that way for Robert (Plant) and Bonzo (Bonham).  Jonesy (John Paul Jones) had already seen a lot of success as a session musician and it goes without saying that Jimmy had already had a taste of stardom with The Yardbirds.  But Robert and Bonzo were kind of new to the fast scene and you could see their growth pretty quickly.

RCM:  So the second album comes out and the band is on the road again. More of their legendary excess?

HS:  It’s funny but some of the stories are actually a lot bigger than what they actually turned out to be. They did a lot of things but it wasn’t always so much the band starting things as it was them contributing to something that had already started. We had this roadie named Richard Lewis and, let’s just say, that Richard knew how to have a good time. I will say that we were around the band enough to know that they were totally enjoying what was going on.

RCM:  All the members of Led Zeppelin were married except Jimmy.  Is it safe to say nobody was faithful on the road?

HS:  That’s safe to say. They did what they did on the road but, at the end of the tour, they always went home to their wives.

RCM:  Bonham is legendary for being the real hell-raiser on the road.  How out of control was he on tour?

HS:  He could definitely get abusive but, usually, it was only to himself.  He would occasionally get falling down drunk and then fall down some stairs.  But Peter and Jimmy were always keeping an eye on him.  If he got really drunk and out of control they would let him know in no uncertain terms that he had to stop what he was doing because it was not good for the band.

RCM:  And the rest of the band?   

HS:  Jonesy was not like that.  He pretty much stuck to himself.  Robert was a pretty spiritual person even when things were getting real crazy but he would definitely enjoy himself. Jimmy was a very private person. With this band, you never walked in on anybody or anything.

RCM:  By the time the third album came out, the roadies have to be almost as proud of the band as the band themselves?

HS:  We saw it as one hell of a ride.  We were in it for the work, the lifestyle, the experience.  When the roadies would be driving in the van at night, we would always talk about how we were with the best band in the world.  In terms of pure musicianship, we felt that Zeppelin had it over both The Beatles and The Rolling Stones.  We always felt that Jimmy was a much better guitarist than Keith Richards.

RCM:   How did you get the nickname ‘Horse’?

HS:   That was something that Jimmy and Peter gave me.  It came about because, one day, I was able to pick up two Fender bass amps and put them in a bus.  It had to do with my strength, not the size of my dick or anything. (laughs)

RCM:  Zeppelin toured constantly until 1973.  Suddenly you left the band. Why?

HS:  They were going to slow down and not tour as much.  I would just be sitting in England and not making much money. That’s when I got a call from a guy I knew named Steven Tyler who wanted to know if I wanted to go out on the road with his band, Aerosmith.  I said sure.

Henry Smith, Steven Tyler, Erin Brady

Henry Smith, Steven Tyler, Erin Brady 2008

RCM: What did you bring to Aerosmith after having worked with Led Zeppelin?

HS:  Time in the business.  Anybody who’s going to do anything in this business, you have to put in the time.  I’ve always believed that if a musician hasn’t put in at least 10 thousand hours worth of time playing in every shit-hole in the country, they’re not really a musician.

RCM: I guess you don’t think much of a lot of today’s musicians?

HS:  Not much. Too many of today’s musicians sit in their bedrooms, play around with Pro Tools and then, all of a sudden, they’re musicians. And they’ve never even played live. It’s like a lot of these bands haven’t done anything to deserve being called musicians.

RCM:  Would you have gone back to Led Zeppelin if the opportunity had arisen?

HS:  I actually did have the opportunity to go back at one point but, by that time, Aerosmith was so big that it was like I was on the same ride all over again.  So I stayed with them.

RCM:  But you continued to stay in contact with the band members?

HS:  Jimmy and I continue to be close.

RCM: Was it tough to be that close to Jimmy when he was going through heroin addiction around the time of the Presence album?

HS:  Sure it was tough. He was always such a private person about things — I had no idea it was going on until I started reading about it.  It was something Jimmy never talked to me about.

RCM:  Even though you were away from the band since 1973, did you, in a sense, feel you were still part of them?

HS:  I’ve always been proud to be a part of a band that did what they did.  Anybody that had been a part of that band in any capacity for any length of time felt the same way.

RCM:  When did you hear about John Bonham’s death?

HS: I heard the news when I was on tour with Aerosmith.  I had the chance to fly to London for the funeral but I decided not to go.  It just would have been too rough.

RCM:  So many years around so many great musicians. Have you ever had the urge to play an instrument?

HS:  Absolutely not.  (laughs) Way back when, when I was with The Yardbirds, Jeff Beck tried to teach me how to play guitar.  After about an hour, he just gave up.  I guess he could see that I was already doing what I was meant to do.

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10 Responses to The Roadie & Led Zeppelin

  1. Brina Healy Reply

    September 11, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    Thanks for the memories.
    We worked together on the ROCKS tour 🙂

    • Barbie Scott Reply

      September 15, 2016 at 6:53 am

      My husband is David Pudge Scott older brother The 1st drummer for AeroSmith Mia’s Godfather my husband has medically induced liver Chirosis would love special tickets to any concert your all doing this would be so special 👍😁💕

  2. Rick Broyles Reply

    September 12, 2016 at 9:38 am

    Took a lot in the early days of R&R. Thanks for the insight!

    Rick Broyles
    R&R Productions

  3. Pauly Reply

    September 12, 2016 at 9:48 am

    Hey bud I feel that we have crossed paths in the roadie world I to started in 1974 in KCMO but you have to know Mel(SIR)NYC ANY way if you do I. Praise you and the ones that came before thank you

  4. Chuck Ross Reply

    September 12, 2016 at 10:51 am

    Its great having Henry work as our stage manager at the Tampa Bay Blues Festival for many years. No matter what he’s up to, he always makes it back to Florida in April!!! He’s our guy !!!! Chuck

  5. Nick Caris Reply

    September 12, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    Hello my old freind
    Floating memories while reading your interview
    You were and always will be the best
    Let’ me know if you’re ever coming to Detroit
    Stay Well
    Nick

  6. S MORGAN STERN Reply

    September 14, 2016 at 8:07 am

    REMEMBER A FRIEND OF MINE SAID HE WORKED WITH THE GROUP

    CAESAR DANOVA?? OUT OF DETROIT….S MORGAN/VENTURA,CALIF

  7. Mark Ammons Reply

    September 27, 2016 at 10:17 am

    Always look forward to seeing you at Blues Fest. You hold everything together. See you in April!!!

  8. marilyn bailet Reply

    January 15, 2017 at 5:40 am

    henry smith,
    i was jane godfrey’s roomate at elmira college 1969-1970. . she sent me to meet you when i was in london in 1970. led zepplin was rehearsing when i came over.
    do you know where she is now?

    mel kleinbailet

  9. marilyn bailet Reply

    February 6, 2017 at 1:18 pm

    henry, do you know where jane is?

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